The
Pentacon Six System
by TRA
Is it possible
to use Pentax 6×7 lenses on the Pentacon Six?
YES!
A Pentax 67 lens
on the Pentacon Six. This is the
real thing, not a Photoshop
simulation!
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An earlier answer to this question
explained the difficulties in doing this. See here. This
page, new in November 2020, explains the solution!
I am grateful to a visitor to this website, Dominik
Samol, for telling me of the solution and for arranging
to have the appropriate adapter ring manufactured for
me. Some of his pictures are also featured below.
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The lens
that we have here mounted on the Pentacon Six is
the SMC PENTAX 67 MACRO 1:4 100mm lens. We
have not modified the lens, but the camera.
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We saw on the previous Pentax 67 to Pentacon
Six page, here,
that the flange distance of the Pentax is 84.95 mm, and
that of the Pentacon is 74.1 mm, resulting in a difference
of 10.85 mm, too narrow to allow space for an adapter
ring. It was also reported that there appeared to be
an overlap between some components at the back of the
Pentax 67 lens and other components at the front of the
Pentacon Six camera throat (although I am not clear about
which components these are). How can we make more
space for a Pentax 67 to Pentacon Six adapter
ring? If we don’t want to have to modify every
Pentax 67 lens that we wish to use, the solution must be
to remove something from the front of the Pentacon
Six, and when we look at the camera, this
turns out to be easy – and reversible!
Lenses
for the Pentacon Six are held onto the camera by a
locking ring on the front of the camera body:
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The procedure for attaching and
removing lenses is explained in detail here.
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But it is not
difficult to remove this locking ring
completely – and to replace it when desired!
This ring rotates through approximately 90º.
In the photograph on the left, it is in its fully
clockwise position, when viewed from the front of
the camera, which is required to insert and remove
lenses. With the lens in place, this ring is
rotated clockwise until it holds the lens firmly
in place. The ring is mounted on a screw
thread, so as it is rotated clockwise, it moves
down onto the three tabs on the lens,
progressively holding them more and more
firmly. This is very useful with some lenses
from other manufacturers that have tabs whose
thickness does not precisely match the Carl Zeiss
Jena and Meyer-Optik Görlitz specifications.
To remove this ring, one simply needs to
remove the locking screw that limits its
travel. With the ring in the position shown
in the picture to the left, this screw is located
in approximately the “7 o’clock” position.
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Here we can
see the locking screw clearly. It
can be helpful to have a magnetic
screwdriver when removing it, as it is
possible to unscrew it fully but to find
that it is inaccessible for removal, as it
remains recessed within the screw hole.
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Here we can see the camera after
removal of the lens locking ring, which is to the
left of it in this picture.
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In this
close-up view of the ring, it is just
about possible to see the hole for the
locking screw at the bottom, and, on the
inside at the top, the internal thread of
the ring by which it is screwed onto the
camera.
A tip on re-affixing the ring
If one wishes to return the camera
to its original specification, the
breech-lock ring can easily be re-affixed
to the camera. Before re-affixing
it, look at the thread on the outside of
the camera ring to which it is to be
attached. Between approximately the
“7
o’clock” position and the
“10 o’clock” position you will see the
groove in which the locking screw will
run.
Screw
the ring fully on, then look for the hole
that contains (or will contain) the
locking screw. This will probably be
at about the “3 o’clock” position.
Unscrew the ring to
about the “8 o’clock” position, and
screw in the locking screw. Then
rotate the ring in both directions to
make sure that the locking screw stops
it at both ends of the groove.
Then turn the ring fully
anti-clockwise, attach a lens with the
standard Pentacon Six
mount and rotate clockwise to hold the
lens firmly.
In the photo to the left we can see the
groove in which the locking screw runs.
Picture courtesy of Dominik Samol
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The Pentax 67
lens mount ring
There are at least two ways of making this
ring.
Modify a Pentax 67 to Pentax K (35mm
camera) lens adapter
It is necessary to cut off
the back of this adapter to make its thickness
appropriate to allow infinity focus, and then to
cut onto the inside surface of the back of the
adapter the 68mm thread that is required in order
to screw it onto the Pentacon Six camera.
The adapter used here has the advantage
that it contains both the internal Pentax 67
bayonet mount that is required for most Pentax 67
lenses and also the external Pentax 67
bayonet lugs required for the 400mm, 600mm and
1000mm Pentax 67 lenses. It
seems to be hard to locate the original Pentax
versions of these adapters. However, Chinese
manufacturers do advertise adapters that they
claim do the same job. Nevertheless, caution
is required, as these manufacturers
can change the specification without notifying
potential purchasers, which can result in an
adapter being received that is difficult or
impossible to modify for the Pentacon Six.
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The top two outer tabs for the longer Pentax 67
lenses can here be clearly seen on this adapter
ring. The lens here is the 45mm Pentax 6×7
lens, which, along with the Pentax 90mm lens, is
the smallest in the system.
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Front view of the modified P67-PK adapter on a
Pentacon six.
Both the inner tabs for most Pentax 67 lenses
and the outer tabs for the longest lenses can be
seen.
Above two pictures courtesy of Dominik Samol
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Modify a Pentax 67 extension tube
Again, the same skills are
required as for the previous modification, which
includes access to a suitable lathe and a
thread-cutting tool, plus the necessary required
dimensions.
The one disadvantage is that on the Pentax
67 extension tube used for the adapter ring that I
now have, only the internal Pentax 67 bayonet
mount is present; the external bayonet lugs for
the 400mm, 600mm and 1000mm Pentax 67 lenses are
not there, so one has to be content not to have
the option of using these longer lenses.
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On this
modified Pentax 67 extension tube, the
inner bayonet lugs are clearly visible,
but the external lugs for the longer
lenses are clearly not present.
The original back of this extension tube
has been cut off and a ring has been added
at the back with an internal
thread of 68mm, to screw the new ring onto
the front of the camera. The
thread and pitch of the mount for the
lens locking ring on the front of the
Pentacon Six are the same as on the
inner sections of the old manual
Praktisix/Pentacon Six extension tubes
(see here
and here),
so if necessary one of those rings
could be cut down and connected
permanently to the cut-down Pentax 67
extension tube.
My thanks to Stefano for telling me
that this is how he made his Pentax 67
lens mount ring for the Pentacon
Six! Here is what he says:
“Having
difficulty to find someone who
could make the thread m68 I bought
an extension tube for p67,
disassembled and joined with the
[Praktisix/Pentacon Six] bayonet
ring, that is already m68 female
(plus a step ring 77-82 to keep
everything centered.”🙂
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The total depth of the new
Pentax 67 lens mount ring for the
Pentacon Six, from its front surface
to its back surface, needs to be 16mm,
as far as I am able to measure (with
my caliper tool not currently
working!).
The ring that I have can
here be seen mounted on a Pentacon
Six. Again, the inner bayonet tabs
can be seen, as well as the absence of
the outer tabs for the longer lenses.
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Above two pictures courtesy of
Dominik Samol
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Using Pentax 67 lenses
on the Pentacon Six
I bought just one lens to test this
adaption on, the SMC PENTAX 67
MACRO 1:4 100mm lens illustrated at the top of this
page. The first thing that struck me when it
arrived was how big and heavy the lenses for the Pentax
67 are! I chose this particular lens because
reports on it are extremely positive and the focal
length means that it could also be used for some general
photography – always assuming that infinity focus
is possible with this adapter! It is,
after all, relatively easy for a skilled technician to
adapt almost any lens for the Pentacon Six, for use on
bellows or extension tubes for close-up work. The
challenge is to obtain infinity focus in the small
amount of space available for the adapter.
Here are my first two test shots:
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This is not an
exciting composition, but it was the best
infinity-focus shot available under Covid-19
restrictions, a view through an open window in
my home. It is early November and about
8.00 a.m., so the shadows are long, but the
large area of open sky enables me to check for
any light fall-off away from the centre of the
frame.
Fujifilm
PRO400H Pentax 67 100 Macro lens at infinity
focus on a Pentacon Six 1/250 f/16 Hand-held
As is to be expected when using a
lens designed for a “6×7” camera on a “6×6”
camera, coverage is faultless.
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This second
test shot of a fairly distant subject turns
out not to be on infinity focus but just
beyond 5 metres, again taken without leaving
the land on which my house stands. Taken
the same day as the previous shot, about half
an hour later.
Fujifilm
PRO400H Pentax 67 100 Macro lens Focus just
beyond 5m on a Pentacon Six 1/250 f/14
Hand-held
With the sun illuminating more of the
scene, contrast has improved. This is
also another excellent test of coverage, and
the lens effortlessly passes the test!
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For a further example of a picture
taken at infinity focus with this lens on a
Pentacon Six, see here.
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Testing closest-focus with the Pentax
67 100mm Macro lens
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The width of this small
alarm clock is 9 centimetres (a fraction
over 3½").
This shows the closest focus with the
“basic” 100mm Pentax Macro lens.
Fujifilm PRO400H Pentax 67 100 Macro
lens at closest focus on a Pentacon Six
1/8 f/11 Benro tripod & head
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The set-up for the
photograph to the left
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In addition to what I on
the left here call the “basic lens”, the
Pentax 67 Macro lens comes with a
“LIFE-SIZE CONVERTER” that can be
screwed into the front of the lens.
Fujifilm PRO400H Pentax 67 100 Macro
lens at closest focus on a Pentacon Six
with the “LIFE-SIZE CONVERTER” 1/8 f/11
Benro tripod & head
We note the blur of the seconds hand as
it swings round and a slight blur of the
minutes hand as it advances.
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The set-up for the
photograph to the left
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Next we see
the camera and lens more clearly as set up
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On
the left here, the lens is at its
closest-focus setting, but the
“LIFE-SIZE CONVERTER” is not being
used.
For this photograph we have placed
it beside the lens. We have
also here removed the
trumpet-shaped lens hood, which
was in place when the above
photograph was taken.
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On
the left here, the lens is at its
closest-focus setting, just as
before, but we have removed the
lens hood, screwed in the
“LIFE-SIZE CONVERTER” and then
screwed the lens hood onto the
front of the converter.
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Aperture
automation
No,
that is not something that we can obtain when
using Pentax 67 lenses on a Pentacon Six.
However, a lever on this lens and on some other
Pentax 67 lenses that I have seen does make it
easy to open up the lens aperture temporarily,
for instance, to check focus, and then to stop
it down again in order to take the
photograph. I also used this method to
meter via the working aperture, using my normal
Pentacon Six TTL metering pentaprism.
Dominik Comments: “I am glad you
discovered the auto/manual trick. Except for the
Soft, the Shift and the 600mm lens in my
posession, all lenses have this option and so
they can be used like fast-acting preset
lenses.”
Conclusion
Using
this Pentax 67 Macro lens is definitely a viable
alternative to taking out other macro lenses,
bellows and extension tubes that are described
elsewhere on this website. It can easily
go from infinity to life-size, a characteristic
often promised by other manufacturers, but not
often delivered.
It would also be worth exploring if there
are other Pentax 67 lenses that fill gaps in our
Pentacon Six outfit (doubtful, I think!).
Given the size, weight and cost of Pentax 67
lenses, the Pentacon Six user with a
comprehensive outfit may find no need to look to
Pentax. However, for the Pentax 67 user
with a range of lenses, it is well worth
having the option of also using the Pentax
lenses on a Pentacon Six, perhaps as a
“second body” to a Pentax 67 outfit.
Dominik
Samol has written with the following additional
information on Pentax 6×7 / Pentax 67 lenses:
“
As for "holes" in the Pentacon System.
I'll go from short end to long.
- 35mm Fisheye (has a different character
to the 30mm Arsat/Zodiak and built in
filters.)
- 45mm F4 (very compact and 5mm wider than
the Flektogon) [TRA, there is of
course the 45mm Arsenal Mir 26B and the
hard-to-find Mir-69 (see here),
plus the shift and shift/tilt lenses
derived from the 26B.]
- 55mm F4 or F3.5 (3 different versions at
Pentax. If one wants to use anything
between 45-55mm those would work as well,
but except for the last version of the
Pentax, any Flektogon is as nice or more
nice and none of those is a small lens,
especially not the F3.5 version.) [TRA:
there is also the Arsat 55mm shift lens in
Pentacon Six mount, see here.]
- 75mm (no 75 in the Pentacon System, but
the 80mm lenses are super small and
exceptionally good, the 75s are all
bigger, slower but there is one shift
lens. If Pentacon is your main system,
those are the least desirable.)
- 90mm F2.8 (Pentax has a leaf shutter
lens here and a not leaf shuttered. Both
are nice, but there is the 90mm Vega as
well, so no reason to get it, unless you
can make the leaf shutter work on the
Pentacon.)
- 100mm F4 macro
- 105mm F2.4 This is the signature lens on
the Pentax System. It is roughly twice the
size of the Biometar, but will get you
more Bokeh wide open and much less busy.
Also it is tighter, which might help the
look.
-120mm Soft (it’s a soft lens. Love it or
hate it.)
-135mm F4 (a very sharp lens with macro,
better close focusing ability. I'd rate it
as long general purpose lens. It is about
the size of the 100mm macro, maybe a bit
longer, but thinner. Also it is the second
cheapest lens to get, under 100 pounds.)
- 150mm F2.8 / 165mm F2.8 / 165mm F4 These
are all portrait lenses, very good
performers, but the 180mm Sonnar has more
character. The 150 is much smaller (+30%
in length compared to the 100 Macro). The
165mm F4 has a leaf shutter, same story as
with the 90mm. Size of the 165s is a bit
less than the Sonnars in the Pentacon
System.) [TRA: See the 150mm Arsenal
Kaleinar and the Hartblei version of it,
and the Schneider-Kreuznach Tele-Xenar, here and
here.]
- 200mm F4 (cheapest 6x7 lens, with luck
under 60 pounds. It is sharp and has a
modern look to the images. If you can’t
afford a Sonnar, this might be an
alternative.)
- 300mm F4 (size is around the same as the
MC Sonnar 300mm, barrel a bit thicker,
nice performer. The ED version is
expensive but a stellar performer.)
- 400mm F4. (Great lens, compact but
thick, no equally fast alternative in the
Pentacon System)
- 500mm F5.6 (This is the same length as
the Pentacon, included, retractable hood,
constant lens diameter, so thicker at the
base, much smaller at the front.)
- 600mm F4 (no lens to walk around with.
It’s a little under 6kg. I was not able to
use it yet successfully with results that
pleased me. It has its place but is a
speciality.)
- Both Zoom lenses.
Those lenses are one of a kind. They
were made very late, the 55-100 was made
from 1998, the 90-180 was made 2001. You
feel the modern design and quality. The
lenses are often referred as "set of
primes". You must think of a size close to
the 300mm lenses in the Pentacon system.
It will make your set huge, but you will
not need to change the lens in an outing,
because the range wide to portrait, or
portrait to near tele is covered.
If I would need to narrow down to
some lenses, I'd pick:
- 45mm F4 (it is the widest
available normal lens and the size is good
on the P6)
- 105mm F2.4 (signature lens)
- 135mm F4 (nice general purpose lens with
focus down to 75cm)
- 200mm F4 (price champion and cheap entry
into portraits)
- The zoom lenses, if not changing lenses
is a benefit to you.”
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Thank you, Dominik for the
information and advice!
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